Retiro tranquilo con acceso privado a National Forrest, estanque y arroyo
Nuestra hermosa propiedad con vista al Valle de la Montaña Húmeda tiene un estanque, un arroyo de suero de leche, así como acceso privado al bosque nacional de San Isabel y el sendero Rainbow de 90 millas a lo largo de las montañas Sangre de Christo. El paraíso de los cazadores. Quedarse dormido con el sonido del agua corriendo y tomando café en la glorieta junto al estanque. Por la noche, encienda el fuego en la estufa de leña y mientras esté tibio y vea las llamas bailando en nuestra acogedora casa con cubierta envolvente y vistas al valle húmedo de montaña con muchos bosques, prados, senderos, lagos para botes y peces. O encender un fuego en nuestro anillo de fuego mientras mira el cielo nocturno. Alces, ciervos, pavos y colibríes que puedes ver y admirar
La casa tiene dos habitaciones con camas Queen, una habitación con 2 camas individuales que se pueden juntar para hacer una cama "King", 2 camas individuales en el desván superior. 2 sofás que se convierten en camas. Una hermosa cocina nueva para cocinar y un porche y terraza para disfrutar de las vistas y el sonido del arroyo - senderismo - Relajarse en el estanque y el arroyo - Caza y pesca - Santuario de lobos en el valle - Bicicleta de montaña - Excursiones a aguas termales, esquí, festivales de arte y jazz, dunas de arena - Santuario y observatorio Dark Sky en Westcliffe
Se permiten eventos: reuniones familiares, cumpleaños y bodas
Small gatherings for an evening are fine
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Mascotas
No se admiten mascotas, pero sí animales de servicio
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Fumadores
Se permite fumar (solo en las áreas designadas)
Absolutely outside only or we keep deposit!
Please no outside shoes inside the living areas when muddy as well as upstairs master bedroom. We have a nice mudroom :)
If you use ATV's need to let us know, need to give you rules. You may ride on property w/care, respect of neighbors, no up/down joy riding on road.
Due to current drought no open fires/flames fire pit is inoperable. Sheriff will give you a ticket
Información importante
Otros detalles
Número de alojamiento: 1224980vb
Este alojamiento está gestionado por un propietario particular (es decir, una parte que no actúa dentro de su mercado, negocio o profesión). No se aplicará la legislación de protección de consumidores de la UE a tu reserva, incluido el derecho de desistimiento. La política de cancelación establecida por el propietario particular cubrirá tu reserva.
Puede aplicarse un recargo por cada persona adicional, según la política del alojamiento.
A tu llegada, pueden pedirte un documento de identidad oficial con foto y una tarjeta de crédito o débito, o un depósito en efectivo, para cubrir los gastos imprevistos.
No se garantizan las solicitudes especiales, que están sujetas a disponibilidad en el momento de la llegada y pueden suponer un recargo adicional.
Se permite celebrar fiestas y eventos, como reuniones familiares, cumpleaños y bodas, en las instalaciones con un máximo de 70 personas.
Nota del propietario: Small gatherings for an evening are fine
Este alojamiento utiliza algo de energía solar
El propietario ha indicado que el alojamiento cuenta con un detector de monóxido de carbono.
El propietario ha indicado que el alojamiento cuenta con un detector de humo.
Entre los elementos de seguridad de este alojamiento, se incluyen los siguientes: extintor y botiquín de primeros auxilios.
Información sobre la zona
Westcliffe
Esta casa de vacaciones se encuentra en Westcliffe, en un entorno rural y a orillas del agua. Acércate a Observatorio de Smokey Jack y Joyful Journey Hot Springs Spa si buscas unas vacaciones activas, aunque para apreciar la belleza natural de la región lo mejor es visitar San Isabel Lake o Parque Hermit. Aprovecha que la montaña está cerca para disfrutar del esquí de fondo y del esquí, y no te pierdas actividades como el descenso en trineo y los paseos en moto de nieve.
The Historic Beckwith Ranch - A 18 min en coche - 10.9 km
Parque Hermit - A 25 min en coche - 23.0 km
Observatorio de Smokey Jack - A 26 min en coche - 23.0 km
Silver Cliff Museum - A 26 min en coche - 24.5 km
Parque municipal de Cotopaxi - A 39 min en coche - 45.0 km
Restaurantes
Weck - A 25 min en coche
R's Pizza Westcluffe CO - A 19 min en coche
Preguntas frecuentes
¿En Retiro tranquilo con acceso privado a National Forrest, estanque y arroyo se aceptan mascotas?
No, este alojamiento solo admite animales de servicio.
¿Cuánto cuesta alojarse en Retiro tranquilo con acceso privado a National Forrest, estanque y arroyo ?
A fecha de 30 de may de 2026, los precios encontrados para una estancia de una noche y dos adultos en Retiro tranquilo con acceso privado a National Forrest, estanque y arroyo el 31 de may de 2026 son de al menos 202 €, tasas e impuestos incluidos. El precio se basa en la tarifa por noche más barata encontrada en las últimas 24 horas para los próximos 30 días. Los precios están sujetos a cambios. Selecciona tus fechas para ver precios más precisos.
¿Cuál es el precio del aparcamiento en Retiro tranquilo con acceso privado a National Forrest, estanque y arroyo ?
El alojamiento cuenta con estacionamiento propio.
¿A qué hora se realiza la entrada en Retiro tranquilo con acceso privado a National Forrest, estanque y arroyo ?
Hora de inicio del registro de entrada: 15:00.
¿A qué hora se realiza la salida en Retiro tranquilo con acceso privado a National Forrest, estanque y arroyo ?
La salida se realiza a las 11:30.
¿Dónde se encuentra Retiro tranquilo con acceso privado a National Forrest, estanque y arroyo ?
A orillas del agua, esta casa de vacaciones se encuentra a 9,8 km de The Historic Beckwith Ranch y a menos de 20 kilómetros de San Isabel Lake y Dundee Dog Park. Observatorio de Smokey Jack y Parque Hermit también están a menos de 20 kilómetros.
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9,6/10
Limpieza
9,8/10
Llegada
9,8/10
Comunicación
10/10
Ubicación
9,4/10
Precisión del anuncio
Comentarios
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
daniel t.
21 de oct de 2019
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Beautiful place
Everything was fantastic, location wildlife.
daniel t.
Se alojó 2 noches en octubre de 2019
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 24 de mar de 2020
Thank you for coming to stay at our place and leaving it so nice...please come back any time :)
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Viajero verificado
9 de jul de 2019
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Super site near Sangre de Cristo mtns
Absolutely lovely place. Marvelous access to Nat. Forest and Wilderness areas.
Clean and spacious home with a great kitchen.
Viajero verificado
Se alojó 5 noches en julio de 2019
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 24 de mar de 2020
Thank you for coming and hanging out!!!
You receive the award for "ever left cleanest" our house. Not just clean, but we felt really cared for, both Reto and I noticed. If you ever come again, we will take off the cleaning fee:)
We live in Lakewood the other time and thought if you like to ever come for a barbecue here or something, you all just really stood out. Please contact us, we would like to get to know you. Either way, glad you enjoyed as we do and hope to meet again!
Katarina and Reto
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Stan M.
7 de ene de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Great Place!
This is a wonderful place for those looking for a comfortable home that is off the beaten path. Google Maps took us straight to the property. The owners were accessible and pleasant.
Stan M.
Se alojó 5 noches en diciembre de 2019
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 24 de mar de 2020
Thank you for coming and taking care of our place, Happy New Year!
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Dan M.
2 de ago de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Excellent Mt Getaway!
This is our second time to Katarina's beautiful mountain house, and we'll be back again. This secluded mountain house is very nice, very clean, and a beautiful spot on the northeast side of the Sangre De Cristo Mt Range.
Dan M.
Se alojó 3 noches en julio de 2020
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 2 de ago de 2020
So wonderful to have you all again and look forward to more time before long. Great that we got to have some real time with you all!!! I'll be in touch:) Thank you to you all for who you are and the gooood beer as well:)
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Milena T.
3 de ago de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Glorious view in a lovely cabin home
What a wonderful retreat along the edge of the national forest. Well appointed kitchen, comfortable beds, cozy wood stove, large movie collection, awesome decks with gorgeous views, and pretty pond. It was a great place to relax and spend time with family.
Milena T.
Se alojó 2 noches en agosto de 2020
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 3 de ago de 2020
Thank you again for coming, we just love sharing our place as we appreciate it so much! Glad you had a great time and thank you for pulling the sheets :) Happy Trails!!!
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Marco P.
19 de sept de 2021
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Fantastic
Fantastic, Mountaineer beautiful dogs love the woods
Marco P.
Se alojó 9 noches en agosto de 2021
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 19 de sept de 2021
Hope you all had a good trip home, it was great to meet you!
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Tyler F.
14 de jul de 2018
Excellent home in beautiful location
This property was a great place for a weekend retreat in the mountains. Secluded but very comfortable and a modern kitchen, too. Big porch. The water even tasted normal, which is rare in mountain homes. We enjoyed exploring the nearby trails and the town of Westcliffe.
Tyler F.
Se alojó 2 noches en julio de 2018
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Reginald R.
5 de jun de 2021
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Great getaway
Excellent place to get away and unplug. Loved seeing the sun rise and set over the mountain range. Plenty of room for kids to run around, jump on trampoline, and just walk around the property. Easy access to the national forest. Definitely recommended.
Reginald R.
Se alojó 5 noches en mayo de 2021
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 20 de jun de 2021
Thank you for coming and I was a little bummed I did not get to meet you all. Very happy that you had a good time!
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Patrick C.
20 de jun de 2022
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Exceptional Colorado experience
The property was actually better than what was put forth to me on VRBO when searching! The house very comfortable with everything needed for great stay. The hosts were fantastic and we all enjoyed our interactions with them. What a truly interesting couple. As added bonus loved their doggies!
Patrick C.
Se alojó 10 noches en junio de 2022
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 20 de jun de 2022
Hello Patrick & Co,
it was great to meet you all and have you here! Hope you had a safe trip back, please stay in touch and I hope we see you again.
Blessings,
Katarina
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
beth V.
22 de jul de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Amazing
The property is amazing. The house is perfect for all ages and groups. We loved the area and privacy. The pond actually has fish and the kids loved it. Katarina was very helpful and responsive to any questions we had. The views from the front porch are beautiful. Very relaxing. We have been to the area numerous times. This place was the best we have stayed at!
beth V.
Se alojó 3 noches en julio de 2020
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 3 de ago de 2020
It was wonderful to have you and you should get 10 stars for how lovely you left our place. So glad you had a good time...it is truly a special place to be shared:) Blessings on your journey!
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Kevin S.
2 de jul de 2019
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Beautifully Secluded Cabin with Abundant Wildlife
Our family of four loved staying at this cabin for two weeks. Its private yet has good access to Westcliffe and all the adventures the Sangre de Cristo Range offers. Hike the Rainbow trail out the back door or drive to one of the many trials in the area. During our stay we visited Mission Wolf, The Great Sand Dunes, The Royal Gorge and climbed a 14er. We often saw turkey, deer and elk from the front porch. If you enjoy relaxation and connecting with nature this cabin is perfect!!
Kevin S.
Se alojó 14 noches en junio de 2019
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 24 de mar de 2020
We are glad that you had a great time! We love to share this tranquil place and we really appreciate how well you took care of our place! Happy Trails!!!
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Larry D.
19 de jun de 2023
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
As Described, Loved Property and Its Location
Property was as described. Owners were very helpful. We stayed a week on vacation, and used this as a base for going to many attractions 1.5 hours or less from here. Would recommend it to others. Property was clean, fully stocked, had all items needed for a week's stay. Beautiful setting at base of mountains, overlooking farming valley below. We were concerned about 6 miles of gravel road because of much rain in the afternoons for the entire week, but it didn't end up being a problem for our passenger car.
Larry D.
Se alojó 7 noches en junio de 2023
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Brian F.
29 de dic de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
A dream get away!
My family and I had a blast at Katrina's beautiful home in the mountains of Westcliffe, CO. The house is just cozy and lovely with views to die for. Everything you could need was in the house or on the property. Great fishing on the Arkansas River which is roughly 30 minutes away. Westcliffe is a small quaint town, kind of friendly people too but the best part was sitting on Katrina's property looking down a the small town lights of Westcliffe against the mountains.... beautiful!
I would highly recommend this property to whomever is looking for a quiet country get away with views to do for and peace you simply can't get enough of.
Brian F.
Se alojó 4 noches en diciembre de 2020
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 5 de ene de 2021
Dear Brian and Co :) thank you for coming and sharing our place as well as take such great care! We feel it is to lovely to not share it and of course it helps us maintain our place. Wishing you an amazing new year!!!
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Barbara R.
19 de oct de 2019
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
A slice of paradise!
This was our first time using VRBO and we couldn’t have been more pleased with the property and it’s owner, Katarina. The house was very well stocked which made it easy for us to prepare our own meals. The home is tucked away and secluded. The views are incredible and the creek that runs through the Iproperty brings a level of solitude and peace. Katarina was quick to respond to all questions which made me feel at ease. She has the home well stocked with brochures about the local area along with interesting books. It was so difficult to say goodbye but we will be back in 2020. If you’re on the fence about this property, don’t be. The property is on 40 acres and there are trails to walk. I can’t say enough about this slice of paradise in Westcliffe. Thank you, again, Katarina for making us welcome into your beautiful home!
Barbara R.
Se alojó 5 noches en septiembre de 2019
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 24 de mar de 2020
Dear Barbara, thank you for coming, it is such a pleasure to share our place with others...it is to pretty to not to:) That is why down the road we want to turn it into a little retreat center down the road so people can relax and be in nature like that. Thank you for writing such a nice review and the time it takes to do that. Best wishes and if you come visit again perhaps we meet, sometimes I get to meet people as we try to spend as much time as possible up there!
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Lorilee C.
10 de oct de 2021
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Lovely mountain getaway
House just as pictured. Very comfortable. Hosts were friendly, welcomed us & explained how the thermostats worked. Kitchen cabinets are labeled for guest convenience.
Beautiful sunrise views from living room, relaxing sound of creek from deck (or house if open sliding doors), mountain hiking trails, (through beautiful fall colored Aspens) just out the back. Besides the host's sweet dogs, we were also visited by about 15 wild turkeys(1st night only), a few cotton tails, many native birds, and each time we drove out to the main road saw pronghorns (antelope), and a few times mule deer.
Loved the nearby towns of Westcliffe & Silvercliffe. Lots if restaurants, local coffee shops, & a fully stocked grocery store. We plan on visiting the area again.
Lorilee C.
Se alojó 7 noches en octubre de 2021
Verificado
4/10 Mediocre
Jason K.
3 de jul de 2021
Aspectos positivos: Llegada, comunicación y ubicación
Aspectos negativos: Limpieza y precisión del anuncio
Would not recommend staying here
The pictures are out dated ...when we arrived we were shocked to see that there is no upkeep to the property..the owners dogs were barking all night and all morning woke us up the 1st morning at 6am and the 2nd morning at 5am...they were right under our bedroom window barking when they got sprayed by a skunk and the strong smell came in to the room..tried grilling but everytime we went out the dogs were right there we couldn't enjoy sitting outside on the deck or porch because of the dogs...we also took our dog who is trained very well but couldn't let him out because their dog wanted to fight with him....we were really looking forward to a nice quiet relaxing vacation but that did not happen...the owner had to keep coming into the cabin to get to her work stuff , the pond was full of alage so we couldn't fish..no internt..these things were listed as things at the cabin. The owner was very nice but our stay was not...pictures need to be updated on the listing.
Jason K.
Se alojó 8 noches en junio de 2021
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Sheri B.
14 de oct de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Beautiful Sunrises!!
Beautiful property. Front porch faces the east, presenting you with a beautiful sunrise each morning. A small creek runs through the property a short distance down from the back porch, giving off a peaceful babbling water sound. The pond that the creek runs through has trout that you can see swimming around when the sun is high in the sky. Thank you Katarina and Reto for sharing your wonderful slice of heaven!!
Sheri B.
Se alojó 10 noches en septiembre de 2020
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 16 de oct de 2020
Thank you both for coming, it was a pleasure to have you all !
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
James G.
2 de oct de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Quiet seclusion
We were looking for seclusion and found it in this beautiful mountain hideaway. Communication with Katerina was very good and we enjoyed meeting her along with her dogs Tiny and Martin. Great views, great star gazing and great memories. Thank you for letting us share your wonderful home.
James G.
Se alojó 5 noches en septiembre de 2020
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Darla R.
4 de sept de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Very comfortable and relaxing
We had a great stay, our host Cat was wonderful and very sweet... The kitchen was very well stocked ,the house is very comfortable (home away from home)...
The 2 dogs of Martin and Tiny are loves.
We will be back.
Darla R.
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 8 de sept de 2020
Thank you for the nice review:) It was awesome to have you gals all here, you were all a delight to meet and I hope we see each other again! Thank you for leaving things behind so nice ...means allot. Also thank you for the the support during managing all of our Wildland Fire crews. Otherwise looking forward to more pickle shots LOL. Have a safe trip home!!!
Verificado
8/10 Bueno
Alicia G.
8 de jul de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación y ubicación
Peaceful place
We loved staying at this property for the scenery - can’t beat the view and the peaceful water running in the stream. There was only one comfortable bed, so - sleeping felt a little more like camping instead of glamping. Kitchen was great for cooking - had everything we needed. Was a little disappointed that “Internet” meant that you can get your own cell service to access hotspot, but we managed to be more off grid than originally planned. Communication with owner was great and very timely! Glad we had a truck to get to the property instead of a sedan as the roads were a little rough for a small area into the property. This is ideal country living! Thanks for sharing.
Alicia G.
Se alojó 4 noches en julio de 2020
Verificado
8/10 Bueno
polly m.
23 de jun de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Llegada y ubicación
Found serenity on this pretty property
Pretty piece of beautiful wetland property. Pretty hummingbirds, all kinds of animals, nice weather, nice trees, nice little town and great book selection.
polly m.
Se alojó 6 noches en junio de 2020
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 2 de ago de 2020
Thank you again for coming, wishing you the best!
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Nel L.
9 de jun de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
beautiful spot in the world
The views and location were wonderful
Nel L.
Se alojó 3 noches en junio de 2020
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Todd A.
1 de abr de 2020
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Westcliff Get away
It was a perfect getaway for us. This place was exactly what we wanted. If you are looking for a place to get away without any distractions or neighbors this is the place. We had everything we needed and was able to relax and unwind. I cannot recommend this place enough!!
Todd A.
Se alojó 4 noches en marzo de 2020
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Kara M.
11 de dic de 2019
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Thanksgiving retreat
Three friends, one dog, and a few days relaxing with a good book and a glass of wine, preparing new and old recipes, snowshoeing, watching the snow fall and the wind blow. Your cabin was the perfect setting for all of it - thank you so much for sharing it!
Kara M.
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 24 de mar de 2020
Dear Kara,
I am glad you all had a great time...that is my favorite thing to do sit on the couch, read a book surrounded by peace! Blessings!
Katarina
Verificado
10/10 Excelente
Connor S.
20 de oct de 2019
Aspectos positivos: Limpieza, llegada, comunicación, ubicación y precisión del anuncio
Absolutely Magical
A perfect place to find some seclusion and quiet. My wife and I stayed here for our honeymoon and it was everything we wanted. Loved the property and surrounding land, especially the private pond and canoe. I'm sure we'll be staying here again.
Connor S.
Respuesta de VrboOwner el 24 de mar de 2020
Thank you again for taking such great care, we love sharing our place with people and when people do such great job caring for our place! Congratulations again on your journey ahead and so happy you could have your honeymoon at our place!
Katarina
Acerca de su propietario/a
Propietario/a: Katarina Sky
We are lovers of the outdoors and animals...a forester from Switzerland who love our home and life in the Rocky Mountains of the Wild West. The great people and the amazing place here is something for everyone that we love to share with people from around the world. We are also Wild Land fire fighters and are very very busy during the Summer/fall fighting fires. We hope you enjoy all the nature and Privacy.
Por qué escogió este alojamiento
The moment we saw this awesome slice of heaven, the forrest, the beauty and views, meadows, fireflies, our pond and stream ... and a 500,000 acre + "backyard" called Sangre de Christo mountain range and San Isabel Forest. How can one resist that???
Qué hace que este alojamiento sea especial
To have the feeling of a mountain ranch retreat where you may not want to leave, you can go straight in the National Forrest to Rainbow trail through our back gate for hiking, in Winter close to skiing and lots of snowshoeing. (we have 2 pairs for guests) We have dogs, cats, horses and chicken to also have our guests enjoy being around animals, we will reduce your fees if you help feed :) And have fresh eggs when available. The elk , turkey and deer may come around, early in the morning and at dusk, or you like to sit and rad a book by the pond and listen to the the creek spilling over the rocks.
Be in your mountain adventure while you can take outings to hot springs, breweries, mountain trails and peaks, white water rafting, hunting, fishing or go visit the wolf sanctuary to see those magnificent animals up close.
Hop into the local town for a cold beer and good food., a open sky Shakespeare performance, Rodeo, Wolf Sanctuary, Westcliffe's own Observatory, river rafting or skiing and snowshoeing along the beautiful trails and near by ski area of Mammoth that is not very crowded.