Huoneisto

High-end beach condo with private hot tub - walk to Calafia Beach

Huoneisto, jossa on keittiö ja parveke

Majoituspaikan High-end beach condo with private hot tub - walk to Calafia Beach valokuvagalleria

Ulkopuoli
Oleskelualue
Terassi/patio
Oleskelualue
Oleskelualue

Arvostelut

9,0 kautta 10.
Upea
3 makuuhuonetta2+ kylpyhuonetta8 henkilöÀ139.0 mÂČ

Suositut palvelut/mukavuudet

  • Poreallas
  • Kuivausrumpu
  • Pyykinpesukone
  • PysĂ€köinti saatavilla
  • Takka
  • Grilli

Tutustu alueeseen

NÀytÀ kartalla
San Clemente, CA
  • Place, San Clemente State Beach (ranta)
    â€Ș8 min kĂ€velymatka‬
  • Place, San Clementen laituri
    â€Ș3 min ajomatka‬
  • Place, Casa Romantica
    â€Ș4 min ajomatka‬
  • Airport, Orange County, Kalifornia (SNA-John Wayne)
    â€Ș31 min ajomatka‬

Huoneet ja sÀngyt

3 makuuhuonetta (8 henkilöÀ)

Makuuhuone 1

1 suuri parisÀnky

Makuuhuone 2

1 vuodesohva (125–150 cm leveĂ€)

Makuuhuone 3

1 keskisuuri parisÀnky

Makuuhuone 4

1 keskisuuri parisÀnky

2 kylpyhuonetta, 1 WC

Kylpyhuone 1

Kylpyhuone 2

Kylpyhuone 3

Tilat

Terassi tai patio
Keittiö
Keittonurkkaus
Parveke
Erillinen ruokailualue
Ruokailualue

Tietoja majoituspaikasta

High-end beach condo with private hot tub - walk to Calafia Beach

Calafia Beach Condo 257 #2

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Discover a slice of paradise at this coastal condo in the prestigious San Clemente seaside community, nestled under half a mile from Calafia State Beach. Experience alfresco living at its best with a private patio, hot tub, and gas firepit. Fire up the gas grill for alfresco meals together.

After blissful days of fun in the sun, unwind for movie nights in the cozy living area. The updated kitchen has a large center island and all the necessities to prepare delectable dishes.

The carpets are brand new, and the upper level features three bedrooms. The ground floor has an extra living area with a queen sofa bed, a television, and a mini-fridge.

This is an incredible opportunity to capture the essence of the true southern California lifestyle and live only steps from Calafia State Beach! The San Clemente Pedestrian Beach Trail is only one block from this home, offering the easiest and m

THINGS TO KNOW
No smoking is allowed inside or outside
New carpeting has been installed in all the bedrooms
This home utilizes decibel-level monitors
This is a three-level home with stairs and 75 stair steps to the beach from this home, so this home may not be appropriate for everyone.
This home is in a quiet neighborhood and is only suitable for quieter groups.
This home utilizes decibel-level monitors.
Reservations for this home will not be refunded if canceled within 60 days of arrival.
The spa is serviced every Friday between 9 a.m. and 1 p.m. The technician will need access to the backyard.
This condo is managed by Vacasa Seasonals Inc. and may require a Security Deposit. DRE: 02160171.

Parking notes: There is free parking available for 2 vehicles.

Please note: this home resides in a noise-sensitive area and the owners participate in our Good Neighbor protection program. Our smart home technology will alert our team if excessive decibel or occupancy levels are detected, allowing us to reach out directly with a reminder of maximum occupancy and quiet hours. This technology is privacy compliant, and only monitors the presence of decibels and devices-not any personal conversation or information. Thank you for supporting our efforts to be good neighbors!

Damage waiver: The total cost of your reservation for this Property includes a nightly damage waiver fee, plus tax if applicable (the “Damage Waiver”). (A discount may be applied for stays of 28 nights or longer, if permitted.) The Damage Waiver covers you for up to $3,000 of accidental damage to the Property or its contents (such as furniture, fixtures, and appliances) as long as you report the incident to the host prior to checking out. The Damage Waiver fee eliminates the need for a traditional security deposit.
More information can be downloaded from the "Rental Agreement" on the checkout page.

Due to local laws or HOA requirements, guests must be at least 25 years of age to book. Guests under 25 must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian for the duration of the reservation.

LisÀÀ pÀivÀmÀÀrÀt nÀhdÀksesi hinnat

Palvelut/mukavuudet

Poreallas
Keittiö
Pyykinpesukone
Kuivausrumpu
Ilmastointi
Ulkotilat

Samankaltaisia majoituspaikkoja

Talon sÀÀnnöt

SisÀÀnkirjautuminen klo 16.00 jÀlkeen
Vuokraajan alaikÀraja: 25
Uloskirjautuminen ennen klo 10.00
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Lapset

Lapset sallitaan: 0–17-vuotiaat
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Tapahtumat

Tapahtumien jÀrjestÀminen ei ole sallittua
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Lemmikit

LemmikkejÀ ei sallita
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TupakointikÀytÀnnöt

Tupakointi ei ole sallittu
Smoking is not permitted anywhere on the premises.
For information about quiet hours, please refer to the listing description.

TÀrkeÀÀ tietoa

HyvÀ tietÀÀ

TÀtÀ majoituspaikkaa hallinnoi majoitusyritys. Se tarjoaa majoitusta kaupankÀynti-, ammatinharjoittamis- tai liiketoimintatarkoituksissa.
LisÀhenkilöistÀ saatetaan veloittaa maksu, joka vaihtelee majoituspaikoittain
SisÀÀnkirjautumisen yhteydessÀ saatetaan vaatia virallinen kuvallinen henkilöllisyystodistus sekÀ pankki- tai luottokortti tai kÀteisellÀ maksettava takuumaksu mahdollisten lisÀmaksujen varalta.
Erityispyyntöjen toteutuminen riippuu saatavuudesta sisÀÀnkirjautumishetkellÀ, ja niistÀ saatetaan veloittaa lisÀmaksuja. Erityispyyntöjen toteutumista ei voida taata.
Juhlien tai ryhmÀtapahtumien jÀrjestÀminen on kielletty majoituspaikassa
Majoittaja on ilmoittanut, ettÀ majoituspaikassa on hÀkÀvaroitin
Majoittaja on ilmoittanut, ettÀ majoituspaikassa on palovaroitin
TÀmÀn majoituspaikan turvaominaisuuksiin kuuluu palosammutin, ensiapupakkaus ja suoratelkilukko
Jos peruutat varauksesi, sinua koskee majoittajan peruutuskÀytÀntö. EU:n kuluttajan oikeuksia koskevien sÀÀdösten mukaisesti peruutusoikeus ei koske majoitusvarauspalveluita.

Tietoja alueesta

San Clemente

Huoneisto sijaitsee lÀhellÀ teemapuistoa ja lÀhellÀ rantaa. Doheny State Beach ja Trestles Wetlands Nature Preserve ovat hyviÀ kohteita alueen luonnosta kiinnostuneille, ja alueen mielenkiintoisiin kohteisiin kuuluvat Bamboo and Beyond ja Surfing Heritage Foundation Museum. Haluatko osallistua johonkin tapahtumaan tai kÀydÀ matsissa vierailusi aikana? Tarkista kohteiden Dana Hills Tennis Center ja Felipe Tennis Center tapahtumakalenteri. Tutustu alueen villielÀimiin villielÀinten bongaukseen keskittyvillÀ kÀvelyretkillÀ ja lintujen bongausmahdollisuuksien ansiosta.
Kartta
San Clemente, CA

LÀhettyvillÀ

  • San Clemente State Beach (ranta) - 8 min kĂ€velymatka - 0.7 km:n pÀÀssĂ€
  • San Clemente Municipal Golf Course - 13 min kĂ€velymatka - 1.2 km:n pÀÀssĂ€
  • San Clementen laituri - 3 min ajomatka - 1.9 km:n pÀÀssĂ€
  • Casa Romantica - 4 min ajomatka - 2.3 km:n pÀÀssĂ€
  • San Clemente City Beach - 6 min ajomatka - 3.4 km:n pÀÀssĂ€

Liikkuminen

  • San Clemente Pierin asema – 11 minuutin ajomatka
  • Orange County, Kalifornia (SNA-John Wayne) – 37 minuutin ajomatka

Ravintoloita

  • â€ȘThe Fisherman's Restaurant and Bar - ‬6 min ajomatka
  • â€ȘCarl's Jr. - ‬3 min ajomatka
  • â€ȘJack in the Box - ‬13 min kĂ€velymatka
  • â€ȘBig Helyn's Saloon - ‬3 min ajomatka
  • â€ȘBear Coast Coffee - ‬6 min ajomatka

Usein kysytyt kysymykset

Onko High-end beach condo with private hot tub - walk to Calafia Beach lemmikkiystÀvÀllinen?

Ei, tÀmÀ majoituspaikka ei salli lemmikkejÀ.

Mihin aikaan majoituspaikan High-end beach condo with private hot tub - walk to Calafia Beach sisÀÀnkirjautuminen on?

SisÀÀnkirjautuminen alkaa klo 16.00.

Mihin aikaan majoituspaikan High-end beach condo with private hot tub - walk to Calafia Beach uloskirjautuminen on?

Uloskirjautuminen tapahtuu klo 10.00.

MissÀ High-end beach condo with private hot tub - walk to Calafia Beach sijaitsee?

Riviera Beach ja San Clemente State Beach (ranta) sijaitsevat 15 minuutin kÀvelymatkan pÀÀssÀ tÀstÀ merenrannalla sijaitsevasta huoneistorakennuksesta. La Ventura Event Center ja San Clemente Municipal Golf Course ovat myös 2 kilometrin pÀÀssÀ.

Arvostelut

9,0

Upea

Arvostelut nÀytetÀÀn kronologisessa jÀrjestyksessÀ, ja ne on moderoitu. Arvostelut on tarkistettu, ellei toisin ilmoiteta.
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Arvosana 4 - Huono. 1 kautta 28 arvostelua
Arvosana 2 - HirveÀ. 1 kautta 28 arvostelua

8,6/10

Siisteys

9,0/10

SisÀÀnkirjautuminen

8,8/10

ViestintÀ

10/10

Sijainti

9,2/10

Listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Arvostelut

TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

Julie O.

Perfection

We loved our stay here. It was perfect for us, and such a lovely home. We walked to the beach each night to watch the sunset. Having a garage to park made life so easy. We can’t wait to stay here again.

10/10 Loistava

Eric R.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Excellent!

Loved this property! Great proximity to Calafia Beach, wonderful secluded patio with hot tub and sitting area, fireplace was nice too, well appointed and stylish — THANK YOU!
Yöpyi 3 yötÀ marraskuussa 2024
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

Constanza M.

Spacious and comfortable

The house was really lovely! I rented the space for a few days for a chill girl's trip and it was perfect. The couches were comfortable for movie watching, the kitchen was spacious for group cooking, the space was spacious so we all had enough space and didn't feel cramped. Would definitely return!
Yöpyi 2 yötÀ heinÀkuussa 2024

10/10 Loistava

Bryan K.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys
Huonoa: SisÀÀnkirjautuminen

Great Beach Condo

Nice place. Clean, bright, and close to beach. The entry code they gave us did not work on the front door. Called Vacasa and they gave me a lockbox code to a physical key. The physical key did not work either. Luckily the entry code worked on the garage door. Had to use it to get in and out the whole time. If they replace the front door lock with one that worked it would be a great place to stay. Nice, clean, great location.
Yöpyi 3 yötÀ marraskuussa 2023

4/10 Huono

travis N.

HyvÀÀ: SisÀÀnkirjautuminen, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys
Huonoa: Siisteys ja viestintÀ

Lack of Responsiveness

Master shower would not drain and could not be used. Notified manager. Sent guy unannounced with Draino but no effect. Said if it didnt work they would get a plumber. Never heard from them again and had only the one shower that functioned the entire time. Numerous other small issues that were frustrating like TV downstairs has large dark spot, making it unusable for movies or video games. Downstairs chair only has 3 legs. Hot tub was full of sand the day we arrived. Outdoor tables were dirty and I sent photos to manager. No response to that.
Yöpyi 7 yötÀ heinÀkuussa 2023

10/10 Loistava

Russ M.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Fun property steps from the beach

Fun layout w/ hot tub and fire pit. Just steps from the beach...fun walk down to the waterPlenty of space to hang out at the property.Lots of steps however, with a winding staircase from the garage to the main level.Nice 2 car garage.
Yöpyi 4 yötÀ toukokuussa 2025

10/10 Loistava

Camille S.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Beautiful Condo. Great Location.

Beautiful Condo with a great location. Will definitely book again!
Yöpyi 10 yötÀ maaliskuussa 2025
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

ovidio a.

Loved this apartment! Looking forward to rent again

All clean. Spacious, like new, well maintained. Well located and access to the beach and cost trail to downtown. Perfect Good vibes!

8/10 HyvÀ

Kali Dobry A.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Great beach access

This condo worked ok for our family, the best thing about it is the walkable access to the beach...it only took us about 10 minutes with 2 small kiddos but you do go down many flights of steep stairs so you cannot pull a wagon or bring much down with you other than what you can carry on your back. The beach is absolutely beautiful, hardly any people, very clean, we had so much fun. The condo it's self needs some love, the upstairs carpet is so gross - very badly stained it kind of gives ya the yucks. The furniture is tired and some is broken. The kitchen is stocked very minimally compared to what I have seen in past rentals and the supplies are old (pans are very badly scratched, no veggie peeler, blender didn't work, coffee pot carafe doesn't fit well so it leaks). Be cautious when using the dryer it ruined 2 pieces of our clothing bc the lint trap doesn't fit and catches onto strings and straps and breaks them, such a bummer! The hot tub guy came on a Wednesday and left the water on overflowing the patio and it made the hot tub cold which was kind of a bummer bc we loved using it during the chilly mornings. The size and layout of the condo worked great for our family. We would definitely recommend this place just be leerily of what i mentioned in case those things matter to you. Hopefully the owners will update the carpet, do some paint touch up and refresh the kitchen supplies.
Yöpyi 4 yötÀ lokakuussa 2024
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

Shane M.

Great location, quiet beach

The location ok n was fantastic near the quiet beach of Califa. Home was well stocked and had beach toys and boogie boards my kids loved. Garage fit our Yukon xl (barely) but was great considering parking along the street is tight. Loved the hot tub and private patio area which we used a ton eating outside and just lounging around on our vacation. Beds were comfortable and they had lots of beach towels. Would stay there again. Some users said WiFi didn’t work but it was great for us with five devices connected. I will say if you have any mobility issues this location is not ideal as the house and beach access has lots of steps.
Yöpyi 6 yötÀ lokakuussa 2024
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

Marvin R.

A great condo in San Clemente

We loved the space and the location
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

8/10 HyvÀ

Bradley R.

Long Weekend

House is in a great location for access to the beach. Easy walk in a couple different ways. House fit our group perfectly and we enjoyed the weekend.

10/10 Loistava

Kyle S.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Great location - very spacious

We loved the location of the property, walking distance to the beach. The home was comfortable and spacious.
Yöpyi 4 yötÀ joulukuussa 2023
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

Cathy A.

Great beach condo

Great location, able to walk to the beach. Family had next door unit so it worked well for a large family gathering. Loved the fire pit and comfy couches around it outside. Well equipped unit. Our group had 3 out of 4 of the units and we loved being able to go back and forth.
Yöpyi 5 yötÀ lokakuussa 2023

2/10 HirveÀ

Jennifer W.

HyvÀÀ: Sijainti
Huonoa: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Way Overpriced Cheap Property w Bad Mgmt

First, never-ever rent a Vacasa-managed property. Second, don't waste your time or money on this one - it's one frustration after another and you get the privilege (for $850/night) of talking to a Vacasa rep in INDIA. Pictures make it look light, airy & spacious - big stretch. Sleeps 8 - so you'd think they'd have more than 4 Dollar-store forks in the kitchen? Or maybe 8 decent coffee mugs? Or perhaps a full set of glassware?...matching is clearly too much to ask. Oh, expect no more than salt & pepper in the cabinets. Cleanliness - it was ok on the surface, except a) sand in the hot tub (it's only cleaned 1x/week, so too bad if you check in and get the last guest's mess), and then there was a weird smell upstairs. Took a few days, but finally traced it to the thick ring of black mildew on the inside of the front-loader washer. Linens-wise - expect the striped-down bare minimum. Not a single extra blanket, not a throw-blanket on the couch. No extra pillows. No extras (chairs, etc.) for the beach. And then there's the internet - infuriating. Turns out they have rigged 4 units together to share one connection - CHEAP - so there's not enough band-width to run TVs without glitching every 5 min (don't plan on working). And it cuts out periodically, then permanently and needs to be reset by the property manager. Vacasa's brilliant answer on the phone had the guests digging up the modems and cables and trouble-shooting the system. SERIOUSLY? AVOID AT ALL COSTS.
Yöpyi 5 yötÀ elokuussa 2023

8/10 HyvÀ

Carlos P.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Great location, solid place, very good stay

Location for us (family of 4 w/adult children) was awesome. Easy walk down to quieter beach, quiet at night for sleeping, no through traffic, access to the beach path, etc. Loved the location a lot. Place has nice space spread out through 3 floors and nice, useable outdoor space. Hot tub was big and there was a table out there to eat outside and lounge space around the fire pit. While there our propane tank died and the door/lock to the garage broke so you couldn’t go in/out of garage. The management folks were reasonably responsive and got the fire pit working / extra propane in so no issues there. Only feedback is that the place could use a refresh as some elements are feeling a bit worn. Carpets in the master, broken screen door leading outside, and just some overall wear and tear. Kitchen supplies were a bit lighter than usual but had enough. Also would love more comfortable chairs in the dining area but that may just be our preference. Net-net it was a very good stay and I’d return/recommend. I value quiet and location highly and not overly fussed with the opportunity areas
Yöpyi 5 yötÀ heinÀkuussa 2023

10/10 Loistava

Jason R.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Great location
close to the beach
nice to have the hot tub
loved the property

Property was outstanding as advertised! We loved it and would stay there again!
Yöpyi 7 yötÀ huhtikuussa 2023
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

Liz P.

Perfect

Great location, just 2 minutes from the beach. Updated, comfortable and well-equipped. Would definitely stay there again if in the area.
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

Christina R.

Beautiful clean comfortable getaway

I reserved this for my family of 4 Andy bestie and her kiddo. Thoroughly impressed with our experience. The property was clean, comfortable and big enough for everyone to have their space and spread out.
Yöpyi 3 yötÀ lokakuussa 2022
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

8/10 HyvÀ

Courtney J.

Great stay!

This was a perfect stay for my trip! The home was clean and well-maintained. The patio was great for relaxing. Having parking was great as well. House could use a few more cooking pans and bring your suitcase through the front door, as the spiral stairs from garage were a bit difficult. Downstairs family room is a great place to get away or watch a movie! So much space and beach nearby.
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

Wade E.

San Clemente condo

Fantastic location very short walk to beach. Spacious and clean with all the amenities would need. Easy access to highway for visiting other parts of Southern California. Quiet. Was a great space for family vacation
Yöpyi 6 yötÀ elokuussa 2022

8/10 HyvÀ

Sarah M.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Lovely condo near beach

We greatly enjoyed our stay at this condo near the beach. Overall the condo is clean and well-equipped. However, the carpet in the primary bedroom was terribly stained and should probably be replaced.
Yöpyi 3 yötÀ elokuussa 2022

10/10 Loistava

Dean N.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Great property, nice location

Everything was great. The only issue we had was very slow WIFI/internet.
Yöpyi 5 yötÀ heinÀkuussa 2022

8/10 HyvÀ

Gregory F.

HyvÀÀ: Siisteys, sisÀÀnkirjautuminen, viestintÀ, sijainti ja listauksen paikkansapitÀvyys

Getaway

We needed a place where our family could stay. We chose this condo for its close proximity to the beach and because we had a 5 month old and the condo allowed us to keep him on his sleep schedule and let the adults enjoy time away
Yöpyi 3 yötÀ toukokuussa 2022
TÀmÀ arvostelu on perÀisin luotetulta kumppanisivustolta, eikÀ sitÀ ole tarkistettu.

10/10 Loistava

Galina K.

Galina from IL

Great location: quiet and save neighborhood. Short and pleasant walk to the ocean. Must have a car. Luxurious apartment is upscale, elegant and huge ( 3 levels! ), clean, well lit; bedrums are spacious, with the ocean view from the window of 1 bedroom and from the balcony of the master bedroom. Very comfortable beds and beddings. Big closets with hangers and shelves. Washer and Dryer are next to all 3 bedrooms. Complementary detergent! Bring or buy your own softener. There is heater in the apartment. Huge space downstairs. Great island in the kitchen. Brand new appliances. Huge kitchen sink. There is a filtered cold water faucet on the left wall inside of refrigerator, which I did not notice at first. Large shaded, totally private patio with fire pit, couch, armchairs, jacuzzi, dining table adds comfort to the guests. I have only 2 recommendations to the management: 1. to replace the old dining chairs with collapsed sagging seats to the new chairs. We put the coach cushions on each chair to sit comfortable at the table. 2. Have an electrical teapot. We boiled water in a pot. We were very happy with our stay. Thank you.

Tietoa majoittajasta

Majoittaja: Vacasa of California

Majoittajan profiilikuva

Kielet:

englanti, ranska, saksa, italia, espanja